Comments on: Too stupid to understand science? Try religion. http://rimafauzi.com/blogs/?p=947 Indonesian by birth, world citizen by choice, working and living in Brussels, Belgium. A lost soul among 6 billions of others, trying to make sense of life.. Sat, 04 Sep 2010 11:21:09 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: godlovesathesim http://rimafauzi.com/blogs/?p=947&cpage=1#comment-41992 godlovesathesim Mon, 10 May 2010 20:12:52 +0000 http://rimafauzi.com/blogs/?p=947#comment-41992 I have quite recently started to hate religion when I was younger i was not sure but I have started to look into science and its interesting but at the same time saddens me to think how advanced we could have been without religion. but now we continue to argue the existence god.our time on this earth is running out people. why spend it resuring yourself and being ignorant. im not going to see any major breakthroughs in my life time but if we think rationally our sons our  sons sons may.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('41992','godlovesathesim'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('41992','godlovesathesim','I have quite recently started to hate religion when I was younger i was not sure but I have started to look into science and its interesting but at the same time saddens me to think how advanced we could have been without religion. but now we continue to argue the existence god.our time on this earth is running out people. why spend it resuring yourself and being ignorant. im not going to see any major breakthroughs in my life time but if we think rationally our sons our  sons sons may.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> I have quite recently started to hate religion when I was younger i was not sure but I have started to look into science and its interesting but at the same time saddens me to think how advanced we could have been without religion. but now we continue to argue the existence god.our time on this earth is running out people. why spend it resuring yourself and being ignorant. im not going to see any major breakthroughs in my life time but if we think rationally our sons our  sons sons may.
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]]> By: ttmyt http://rimafauzi.com/blogs/?p=947&cpage=1#comment-20571 ttmyt Sun, 04 Oct 2009 01:05:37 +0000 http://rimafauzi.com/blogs/?p=947#comment-20571 Ok… so I read everything all the way through… Religion as control and government and I can go on and on….The question that I”m not seeing is:
“Does the human race need
faith and the belief in a God to settle our worries and fears about
what we don’t know even if we can disprove many beliefs with science
and fact?””For most… I think the answer is yes…. Many can not deal with the unknown or have fear for the future. So which belief’’s are right? Who’’s religion is the best? Well… I would have to save that for another place as my comment would be pages…
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]]> By: rimafauzi http://rimafauzi.com/blogs/?p=947&cpage=1#comment-15960 rimafauzi Sat, 18 Jul 2009 20:00:53 +0000 http://rimafauzi.com/blogs/?p=947#comment-15960 Twango: I still believe in God or a higher being, but I do not believe that God is what religions taught us to be, and i certainly do not believe in religions because most of what's in it is quite stupid and silly. And guess what? There are plenty of people out there who believe in God but do not believe in Religions, and I find them the sanest of all..<br><br>Nana: Not yet.. not planning to .. hehheheh but anyways I liked the things that I find on the net like what I have posted in this entry.. :)<br><div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('15960','rimafauzi'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('15960','rimafauzi','Twango: I still believe in God or a higher being, but I do not believe that God is what religions taught us to be, and i certainly do not believe in religions because most of what\'s in it is quite stupid and silly. And guess what? There are plenty of people out there who believe in God but do not believe in Religions, and I find them the sanest of all..<br><br>Nana: Not yet.. not planning to .. hehheheh but anyways I liked the things that I find on the net like what I have posted in this entry.. :)<br>'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Twango: I still believe in God or a higher being, but I do not believe that God is what religions taught us to be, and i certainly do not believe in religions because most of what’s in it is quite stupid and silly. And guess what? There are plenty of people out there who believe in God but do not believe in Religions, and I find them the sanest of all..

Nana: Not yet.. not planning to .. hehheheh but anyways I liked the things that I find on the net like what I have posted in this entry.. :)

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]]> By: Nana Podungge http://rimafauzi.com/blogs/?p=947&cpage=1#comment-15839 Nana Podungge Thu, 16 Jul 2009 02:49:30 +0000 http://rimafauzi.com/blogs/?p=947#comment-15839 have you made the T-shirt, Rima? :D May I order one? :-P<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('15839','Nana Podungge'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('15839','Nana Podungge','have you made the T-shirt, Rima? :D May I order one? :-P'); return false;">Quote</a></div> have you made the T-shirt, Rima? :D May I order one? :-P
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]]> By: Twango http://rimafauzi.com/blogs/?p=947&cpage=1#comment-15802 Twango Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:27:55 +0000 http://rimafauzi.com/blogs/?p=947#comment-15802 If you are an atheist, a so called rational skeptic, then tell me this. When refuting the argument of god, you made the distinction of a christian god. This is bashing a sub-section of a group, and applying its stigma to the entire group alone. Oh logical one, this is a fallacy. Further more, your "argument" against the existence of god consisted of copied one liners, comics, and general hatred and dismissal of anyone who happens to think otherwise, with no consideration to there point of few besides. Also, you dismissed the work of Karl Marx. Communism may not be a viable method of running a country in our current state. Every attempt at communism in our history has been a socialist country and does not reflect true communism. Karl Marx was trying to find a way out of a monetary driven and controlled society by changing the distribution of power. At least he tried. What have you done besides dismiss others out of hatred and fear. You attempt to speak out of the evils of religion. You miss the point. If you replaced the subject of your argument, religion, with say, the word and jokes resulting around the negative stereotype of Jews, this wouldn't be so free thinking and rational wouldn't it. Having a good time doesn't have to result to bashing people you disagree with. Any rational person can understand after reviewing and living (perhaps more of) life a person decides their own view of their mortally, and our place in this world, and whether or not god exists, we don't know. That's right, we don't know. Try using your rational brain to die and come back to tell me. We are a mass of energy (guess what kids, physics)reacting with a larger mass of energy in a vacuum hanging somewhere in space, and you think a perfectly logical explanation is going to satisfy you? Well, perhaps that is all there is. But I would encourage to keep your perception open. Something created us, whether it be eternal, finite, or purely a natural function.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('15802','Twango'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('15802','Twango','If you are an atheist, a so called rational skeptic, then tell me this.\r\n\r\nWhen refuting the argument of god, you made the distinction of a christian god. \r\n\r\nThis is bashing a sub-section of a group, and applying its stigma to the entire group alone. Oh logical one, this is a fallacy.\r\n\r\nFurther more, your \"argument\" against the existence of god consisted of copied one liners, comics, and general hatred and dismissal of anyone who happens to think otherwise, with no consideration to there point of few besides. \r\n\r\nAlso, you dismissed the work of Karl Marx. Communism may not be a viable method of running a country in our current state. Every attempt at communism in our history has been a socialist country and does not reflect true communism. Karl Marx was trying to find a way out of a monetary driven and controlled society by changing the distribution of power. At least he tried. What have you done besides dismiss others out of hatred and fear. \r\n\r\nYou attempt to speak out of the evils of religion. You miss the point. If you replaced the subject of your argument, religion, with say, the word and jokes resulting around the negative stereotype of Jews, this wouldn\'t be so free thinking and rational wouldn\'t it. \r\n\r\nHaving a good time doesn\'t have to result to bashing people you disagree with. Any rational person can understand after reviewing and living (perhaps more of) life a person decides their own view of their mortally, and our place in this world, and whether or not god exists, we don\'t know.\r\n\r\nThat\'s right, we don\'t know. Try using your rational brain to die and come back to tell me. We are a mass of energy (guess what kids, physics)reacting with a larger mass of energy in a vacuum hanging somewhere in space, and you think a perfectly logical explanation is going to satisfy you?\r\n\r\nWell, perhaps that is all there is. But I would encourage to keep your perception open. Something created us, whether it be eternal, finite, or purely a natural function.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> If you are an atheist, a so called rational skeptic, then tell me this.

When refuting the argument of god, you made the distinction of a christian god.

This is bashing a sub-section of a group, and applying its stigma to the entire group alone. Oh logical one, this is a fallacy.

Further more, your “argument” against the existence of god consisted of copied one liners, comics, and general hatred and dismissal of anyone who happens to think otherwise, with no consideration to there point of few besides.

Also, you dismissed the work of Karl Marx. Communism may not be a viable method of running a country in our current state. Every attempt at communism in our history has been a socialist country and does not reflect true communism. Karl Marx was trying to find a way out of a monetary driven and controlled society by changing the distribution of power. At least he tried. What have you done besides dismiss others out of hatred and fear.

You attempt to speak out of the evils of religion. You miss the point. If you replaced the subject of your argument, religion, with say, the word and jokes resulting around the negative stereotype of Jews, this wouldn’t be so free thinking and rational wouldn’t it.

Having a good time doesn’t have to result to bashing people you disagree with. Any rational person can understand after reviewing and living (perhaps more of) life a person decides their own view of their mortally, and our place in this world, and whether or not god exists, we don’t know.

That’s right, we don’t know. Try using your rational brain to die and come back to tell me. We are a mass of energy (guess what kids, physics)reacting with a larger mass of energy in a vacuum hanging somewhere in space, and you think a perfectly logical explanation is going to satisfy you?

Well, perhaps that is all there is. But I would encourage to keep your perception open. Something created us, whether it be eternal, finite, or purely a natural function.

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]]> By: anakbekasi http://rimafauzi.com/blogs/?p=947&cpage=1#comment-4940 anakbekasi Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:09:03 +0000 http://rimafauzi.com/blogs/?p=947#comment-4940 Hmmm, I don't know. At one point of my life (and I'm not OLD!!!!! :D) I found religion to be just a tool to enslave the masses. But a quick study into the history of it, you can start to see how religion and culture have fed each other, and have produced many amazing stories, rituals, dances, etc. I mean well it's very easy to say, given the current climate of increasing secularism (actually for the past couple of centuries), that religion has no place in the modern world. But even the modern era has passed, and many saw the failure of homogenization of idea stifles progress. Religions and cultures have shaped the idea of people/nations worldwide, and the diversity of it is something that, I think, we must celebrate. Math and astronomy made great leaps during the first few centuries of Islamic empires. Tribal music (that is very spiritual in nature) in Africa, allegedly (and there actually has been a study) is the origin to blues music. So although I agree it's very unfortunate that can be so blindly misguided by what is supposedly "peaceful" religions, we also have to acknowledge the complexities of differing interpretations of religious texts by different people (and different level of testosterone). Sorry I know this entry is meant to be light hearted ;) Just can't help it hahaha :D </p> <em>"Not a problem, thanks for your point of view. I find your comments to be very interesting. :)"</em> <div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('4940','anakbekasi'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('4940','anakbekasi','Hmmm, I don\'t know.\r\n\r\nAt one point of my life (and I\'m not OLD!!!!! :D) I found religion to be just a tool to enslave the masses. But a quick study into the history of it, you can start to see how religion and culture have fed each other, and have produced many amazing stories, rituals, dances, etc. I mean well it\'s very easy to say, given the current climate of increasing secularism (actually for the past couple of centuries), that religion has no place in the modern world. But even the modern era has passed, and many saw the failure of homogenization of idea stifles progress. Religions and cultures have shaped the idea of people\/nations worldwide, and the diversity of it is something that, I think, we must celebrate. Math and astronomy made great leaps during the first few centuries of Islamic empires. Tribal music (that is very spiritual in nature) in Africa, allegedly (and there actually has been a study) is the origin to blues music. So although I agree it\'s very unfortunate that can be so blindly misguided by what is supposedly \"peaceful\" religions, we also have to acknowledge the complexities of differing interpretations of religious texts by different people (and different level of testosterone).\r\n\r\nSorry I know this entry is meant to be light hearted ;) Just can\'t help it hahaha :D\r\n<\/p>\r\n<em>\"Not a problem, thanks for your point of view. I find your comments to be very interesting. :)\"<\/em>\r\n'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Hmmm, I don’t know.

At one point of my life (and I’m not OLD!!!!! :D ) I found religion to be just a tool to enslave the masses. But a quick study into the history of it, you can start to see how religion and culture have fed each other, and have produced many amazing stories, rituals, dances, etc. I mean well it’s very easy to say, given the current climate of increasing secularism (actually for the past couple of centuries), that religion has no place in the modern world. But even the modern era has passed, and many saw the failure of homogenization of idea stifles progress. Religions and cultures have shaped the idea of people/nations worldwide, and the diversity of it is something that, I think, we must celebrate. Math and astronomy made great leaps during the first few centuries of Islamic empires. Tribal music (that is very spiritual in nature) in Africa, allegedly (and there actually has been a study) is the origin to blues music. So although I agree it’s very unfortunate that can be so blindly misguided by what is supposedly “peaceful” religions, we also have to acknowledge the complexities of differing interpretations of religious texts by different people (and different level of testosterone).

Sorry I know this entry is meant to be light hearted ;) Just can’t help it hahaha :D

“Not a problem, thanks for your point of view. I find your comments to be very interesting. :) ”

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]]> By: therry http://rimafauzi.com/blogs/?p=947&cpage=1#comment-4588 therry Thu, 16 Oct 2008 08:49:46 +0000 http://rimafauzi.com/blogs/?p=947#comment-4588 <blockquote><a href='#comment-4551' rel="nofollow">Originally Posted By Lairedion</a><a href='#comment-4550' rel="nofollow">@Kgeddoe</a> - Kgeddoe Mach Jabber, excellent video. Couldn't agree more. Teh Rima, I referred to your blog post at IM's Atheists and Atheist Beliefs post. <em>"Yes and it has opened old wounds.. lol look at the war that's going on there.."</em></blockquote> LOL<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('4588','therry'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('4588','therry','<blockquote><a href=\'#comment-4551\' rel=\"nofollow\">Originally Posted By Lairedion<\/a><a href=\'#comment-4550\' rel=\"nofollow\">@Kgeddoe<\/a> - \r\n\r\nKgeddoe Mach Jabber, excellent video. Couldn\'t agree more. Teh Rima, I referred to your blog post at IM\'s Atheists and Atheist Beliefs post.\r\n\r\n<em>\"Yes and it has opened old wounds.. lol look at the war that\'s going on there..\"<\/em><\/blockquote>\r\n\r\nLOL'); return false;">Quote</a></div>

Originally Posted By Lairedion@Kgeddoe –

Kgeddoe Mach Jabber, excellent video. Couldn’t agree more. Teh Rima, I referred to your blog post at IM’s Atheists and Atheist Beliefs post.

“Yes and it has opened old wounds.. lol look at the war that’s going on there..”

LOL

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]]> By: Lairedion http://rimafauzi.com/blogs/?p=947&cpage=1#comment-4551 Lairedion Tue, 14 Oct 2008 09:57:32 +0000 http://rimafauzi.com/blogs/?p=947#comment-4551 <a href='#comment-4550' rel="nofollow">@Kgeddoe</a> - Kgeddoe Mach Jabber, excellent video. Couldn't agree more. Teh Rima, I referred to your blog post at IM's Atheists and Atheist Beliefs post. </p> <em>"Yes and it has opened old wounds.. lol look at the war that's going on there.."</em><div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('4551','Lairedion'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('4551','Lairedion','<a href=\'#comment-4550\' rel=\"nofollow\">@Kgeddoe<\/a> - \r\n\r\nKgeddoe Mach Jabber, excellent video. Couldn\'t agree more. Teh Rima, I referred to your blog post at IM\'s Atheists and Atheist Beliefs post.\r\n<\/p>\r\n<em>\"Yes and it has opened old wounds.. lol look at the war that\'s going on there..\"<\/em>'); return false;">Quote</a></div> @Kgeddoe –

Kgeddoe Mach Jabber, excellent video. Couldn’t agree more. Teh Rima, I referred to your blog post at IM’s Atheists and Atheist Beliefs post.

“Yes and it has opened old wounds.. lol look at the war that’s going on there..”

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]]> By: Kgeddoe http://rimafauzi.com/blogs/?p=947&cpage=1#comment-4550 Kgeddoe Tue, 14 Oct 2008 04:49:33 +0000 http://rimafauzi.com/blogs/?p=947#comment-4550 Ah, but do remember that sometimes it's not faith, but rather nervous insecurity. In famous Deist John Armstrong's words; <blockquote> If you really believe something, you won't get upset discussing it. After all, if I were to walk up to you and say "the Sun revolves around the Earth" or "the Earth is flat", you wouldn't get upset with me and say "how dare you offend my beliefs in astronomy". You would simply present the evidence as to why you believe that your view is right and mine is wrong, and you can have a rational discussion about it. Or perhaps you'll just roll your eyes and say "whatever", and walk away. Either way, you wouldn't take it personally, and you wouldn't get upset. </blockquote> I don't know about you, I think it's bullseye. Here's the video [<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WiXUargG1Q" rel="nofollow">link</a>], which is quite a nice piece. </p> <em>"That's true. I have always thought that people who blindly defends what they believe in are just insecure about their belief. The video you gave nails the mark totally. I strongly recommend it to everybody, believer or non believer. thanks for the video!"</em> <div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('4550','Kgeddoe'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('4550','Kgeddoe','Ah, but do remember that sometimes it\'s not faith, but rather nervous insecurity. \r\n\r\nIn famous Deist John Armstrong\'s words;\r\n\r\n<blockquote>\r\nIf you really believe something, you won\'t get upset discussing it. After all, if I were to walk up to you and say \"the Sun revolves around the Earth\" or \"the Earth is flat\", you wouldn\'t get upset with me and say \"how dare you offend my beliefs in astronomy\". You would simply present the evidence as to why you believe that your view is right and mine is wrong, and you can have a rational discussion about it. Or perhaps you\'ll just roll your eyes and say \"whatever\", and walk away. Either way, you wouldn\'t take it personally, and you wouldn\'t get upset.\r\n<\/blockquote>\r\n\r\nI don\'t know about you, I think it\'s bullseye. Here\'s the video [<a href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=4WiXUargG1Q\" rel=\"nofollow\">link<\/a>], which is quite a nice piece.\r\n<\/p>\r\n<em>\"That\'s true. I have always thought that people who blindly defends what they believe in are just insecure about their belief.\r\nThe video you gave nails the mark totally. I strongly recommend it to everybody, believer or non believer. thanks for the video!\"<\/em>\r\n'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Ah, but do remember that sometimes it’s not faith, but rather nervous insecurity.

In famous Deist John Armstrong’s words;

If you really believe something, you won’t get upset discussing it. After all, if I were to walk up to you and say “the Sun revolves around the Earth” or “the Earth is flat”, you wouldn’t get upset with me and say “how dare you offend my beliefs in astronomy”. You would simply present the evidence as to why you believe that your view is right and mine is wrong, and you can have a rational discussion about it. Or perhaps you’ll just roll your eyes and say “whatever”, and walk away. Either way, you wouldn’t take it personally, and you wouldn’t get upset.

I don’t know about you, I think it’s bullseye. Here’s the video [link], which is quite a nice piece.

“That’s true. I have always thought that people who blindly defends what they believe in are just insecure about their belief.
The video you gave nails the mark totally. I strongly recommend it to everybody, believer or non believer. thanks for the video!”

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]]> By: Charlie http://rimafauzi.com/blogs/?p=947&cpage=1#comment-4549 Charlie Tue, 14 Oct 2008 01:45:12 +0000 http://rimafauzi.com/blogs/?p=947#comment-4549 Please allow me to defend monkeys and other animals from people that think they don't have the capability to think ;-) They do know that they will die, that's why they developed the emotional capability to procreate, run away when they sense danger, play dead(freeze), etc, etc. We call the logical side of our brain "thinking", while the emotional side we usually relate to our heart, but actually all happened in the brain. And the best thing is, like it or not, the emotional part is far faster and can easily overwhelm our logical part. That's why the small head down there can easily rule over men's big head, and that's also what makes some of us frozen in fear although logically we should run away. Animals do know how to "think", but they rely mostly on their emotion for survival in the wild. Logical thinking is just far too slow for them. For us, logical animals, we don't have to worry about food so much and have all the time in the world to create religion to rule over the world worser than all tyrrants combined :-) Sorry for the long rant Rima. </p> <em>"no need to apologize, I too think animals can think and feel to a certain degree. It's much simpler than us over complicated humans but sometimes i feel simple is better. imagine if all humans are like monkeys, with that kind that of limitation to think, i dont think the world will be in its current state with the ozone layers torn apart, pollution, war etc.."</em><div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('4549','Charlie'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('4549','Charlie','Please allow me to defend monkeys and other animals from people that think they don\'t have the capability to think ;-) They do know that they will die, that\'s why they developed the emotional capability to procreate, run away when they sense danger, play dead(freeze), etc, etc. We call the logical side of our brain \"thinking\", while the emotional side we usually relate to our heart, but actually all happened in the brain. And the best thing is, like it or not, the emotional part is far faster and can easily overwhelm our logical part. That\'s why the small head down there can easily rule over men\'s big head, and that\'s also what makes some of us frozen in fear although logically we should run away. Animals do know how to \"think\", but they rely mostly on their emotion for survival in the wild. Logical thinking is just far too slow for them. For us, logical animals, we don\'t have to worry about food so much and have all the time in the world to create religion to rule over the world worser than all tyrrants combined :-) Sorry for the long rant Rima.\r\n<\/p>\r\n<em>\"no need to apologize, I too think animals can think and feel to a certain degree. It\'s much simpler than us over complicated humans but sometimes i feel simple is better. imagine if all humans are like monkeys, with that kind that of limitation to think, i dont think the world will be in its current state with the ozone layers torn apart, pollution, war etc..\"<\/em>'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Please allow me to defend monkeys and other animals from people that think they don’t have the capability to think ;-) They do know that they will die, that’s why they developed the emotional capability to procreate, run away when they sense danger, play dead(freeze), etc, etc. We call the logical side of our brain “thinking”, while the emotional side we usually relate to our heart, but actually all happened in the brain. And the best thing is, like it or not, the emotional part is far faster and can easily overwhelm our logical part. That’s why the small head down there can easily rule over men’s big head, and that’s also what makes some of us frozen in fear although logically we should run away. Animals do know how to “think”, but they rely mostly on their emotion for survival in the wild. Logical thinking is just far too slow for them. For us, logical animals, we don’t have to worry about food so much and have all the time in the world to create religion to rule over the world worser than all tyrrants combined :-) Sorry for the long rant Rima.

“no need to apologize, I too think animals can think and feel to a certain degree. It’s much simpler than us over complicated humans but sometimes i feel simple is better. imagine if all humans are like monkeys, with that kind that of limitation to think, i dont think the world will be in its current state with the ozone layers torn apart, pollution, war etc..”

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